Documentum Vol. 2

Season 1 - Ep 01

Kim Beil

To kick off Documentum, Fall Line Press publisher Bill Boling chats with art historian, Stanford lecturer, and Fellowship 10K Essayist Kim Beil. Using photo history Beil helps contextualize NFTs in the current moment and speaks to the scope of the monumental Fellowship 10K project which saw the release of the August Sander Archive as a publicly stewarded collection with the help of NFTs.

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Show Notes

- What is Documentum? [00:00:01]

- Who is Kim Beil? [ 00:01:41]

  • Kim Beil talks photobooks
  • Instagram

- Episode Overview [00:02:07]

  • Fellowship Trust
  • Fellowship 10k 
  • August Sander Archive 

- Kim’s background [00:03:18] 

- The benefits of technical training in the context of art history [00:07:22]

- Good Pictures: A History of Popular Photography [00:08:30]

  • A review of Good Pictures on Strange Fire Collective 
  • Snapshot aesthetics

- Fellowship 10k & the August Sander Archive [00:15:01]

  • Alejandro Cartegena 
  • Vernacular photography definition 
  • Darius Himes 
  • Fernando Gallegos

- Reactions to the project [00:20:56]

- Museum archive vs NFT archive [00:22:41]

  • MoMA August Sander Symposium

  • NBA NFTs
  • The experience economy 

- Major inventions in photo history [00:28:20]

  • Cabinet cards 
  • Kodak Brownie

- Archives capabilities within the blockchain [00:32:20]

  • What is Legacy? 

- The Value of Archives  [00:35:40]

- A brief history of Documentum [00:44:30]

  • Documentum 

- A look at photography through history  [00:45:32]

  • The Pencil of Nature
  • Cyanotypes of British Algae
  • Kim’s essays for the Fellowship 10K
  • Polaroid XS70

- What will the vernacular NFT be? [00:49:28]

- Potential roles NFT’s can have in photobooks [00:51:44]

  • Gregory Berg
  • Jim Goldberg 
  • Danny Lyon

- Photobooks Kim is interested in [00:56:35]

  • Voyagers
  • The Peter J. Cohen Collection
  • False Lighthouse 

- The power of collection [00:59:39]

- The value of NFTs in the artworld to come [01:02:55]

- Sign off [01:05:47]

Credits

Documentum is sponsored by independent photobook publisher Fall Line Press. 

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Season 1 - Ep 02

Klea McKenna

What happens when an artist collected by SFMOMA, the Getty Museum, and the US Embassy (to name a few) expands from the traditional art world into NFTs? From her first drop with Quantum to the possibilities NFTs have created for her practice, visual artist and filmmaker Klea McKenna guides us through her experiences within the NFT realm.

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Show Notes

Klea McKenna soundbite [00:00:01]

Episode overview [00:00:34]

Klea’s background [00:01:29]

  • Polaroid transfers
  • Photograms
  • Veil image 
  • Almost Visible - Documentary 
  • In The Make 


The struggles women artists & moms face [00:15:04] 

  • Postpartum depression
  • Post traumatic growth


The road to NFTs [00:21:02]

  • Euqinom Gallery
  • Quantum


The First Drop: No Feeling Is Final [00:26:39]

  • Klea’s NFT projects
  • Installation at SFMOMA “Close To Home: Creativity In Crisis”
  • August Sander 10K


Creating an NFT & working with Quantum [00:31:19]

  • No Feeling Is Final Video Journal   


A new income model for artists [00:35:38]

  • Resale royalties in art 
  • The Artist Contract
  • NFT royalties 


The first drop resales [00:44:44]

The Second Drop: How Forests Think [00:46:32]

  • How Forests Think video
  • How Forests Think on Foundation


Deciding why a project works as an NFT [00:51:04]

The possibilities of NFTs as a medium [00:53:04]

NFT apprehensions [00:58:44]

NFTs influence of Klea’s practice [01:04:38]

  • Alan Watts 
  • Marliyn Minter


NFT collectors, culture, and community [01:07:35]

Navigating the pushback [01:11:42]

  • Environmental concerns 
  • NFT scams

The future of NFTs [01:14:46]

Sign off [01:17:46]

Credits

Documentum is sponsored by independent photobook publisher Fall Line Press. 

If you liked this conversation, be sure to follow us wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find us on Instagram and Twitter @documentumtv. For a deep dive, subscribe to Patient Letters on Substack. 

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Vanessa Isela Johnson @vanessaisela_

Season 1 - Ep 03

Gregory Eddi Jones

There are many moving parts in the NFT space, so much so it can be difficult to know where to start. Post- photographic artist and NFT thought leader Gregory Eddi Jones navigates us through the various platforms, marketplaces, and communities photographers can expect to run into when using the technology in their practices.

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Show Notes

Gregory Eddi Jones soundbite [00:00:01]

Episode overview [00:00:15]

Gregory’s background [00:01:18]

  • Post- photography definition

NFTs as new way of experiencing photography [00:07:08]

Traditional collecting vs NFTs collecting [00:11:00]

Gregory’s artistic practice [00:14:50]

  • T.S. Eliot’s The Waste Land
  • Promise Land

Promise Land from photobook to NFT [00:19:40]

  • A Good Boy from Promise Land
  • Foundation
  • Carpoolers

The landscape [00:27:26]

  • OpenSea
  • New Art City

Choosing an NFT marketplace [00:31:02]

  • Smart contract

After the drop & looking forward [00:35:11]

  • Promise Land website
  • PhotoVerso on Substack
  • In The In Between

Fellowship Studio & Trust [00:41:00]

  • Fellowship 
  • Studio 137
  • Chadwick Tyler 
  • Alejandro Cartagena
  • Jeffrey Milstein
  • Fernando Gallegos

The August Sander Archive [00:44:48]

The collectors & community [00:47:48]

NFTs potential to change photography’s meaning [00:53:04]

Gregory’s NFT projects & people to follow [56:44]

  • David Brandon Geeting
  • Amusement Park review 
  • UntitledDAO
  • Mickey Smith

How to help photographers and artists Ukraine with NFTs [01:01:32]

  • Solidarity for Ukraine

Sign off [01:04:28]

Credits

Documentum is sponsored by independent photobook publisher Fall Line Press. 

If you liked this conversation, be sure to follow us wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find us on Instagram and Twitter @documentumtv. For a deep dive, subscribe to Patient Letters on Substack. 

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Bill Boling @patientletters

Alexis Boling @alexisboling

Vanessa Isela Johnson @vanessaisela_

Season 1 - Ep 04

Alejandro Cartagena pt. 1

Resilience, a desire to learn, and a deep love for photo. NFT thought leader and photographer Alejandro Cartagena reveals the secrets behind his success in the NFT community and the future he is helping shape for the photographic medium at large. In part one of our conversation with Cartagena we are given an opportunity to take an in depth look at his beginnings and the initiatives he spearheads in the space.

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Show Notes

Alejandro Cartagena soundbite [00:00:01]

Episode overview [00:00:36]

Alejandro’s background [00:01:27]

  • Unseen Amsterdam
  • Carpoolers
  • The Factory

Making Carpoolers Version One [00:15:00]

  • Fernando Gallegos
  • Fellowship
  • Maquette
  • Carpoolers Version One

Carpoolers Version Two [00:25:52]

  • Carpoolers Version Two

Carpoolers Version Three [00:27:11]

  • Carpoolers Version Three
  • Jasper Johns
  • Walt Whitman

Alejandro’s first attempts at dropping Carpoolers & the NFT learning curve  [00:30:59]

The third attempt at dropping Carpoolers [00:44:15]

How Alejandro became a leader in the NFT space & the big picture [00:49:53]

  • Obscura 
  • RAW DAO
  • Untitled DAO 

NFTs opportunities to expand photographic arts experimentation [00:55:48] 

  • Emergency Reporting Commission 

Obscura & Lorenzo Meloni: a new way to support artists [1:00:02]

  • Lorenzo Meloni

Challenging the traditional art world [01:08:50]

Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs) & Obscura DAOs initiatives  [01:13:39]

  • Cooper Ray 
  • Alec Soth
  • Todd Hido
  • Deanna Templeton
  • Reuben Wu 
  • Magnum & Obscura 
  • Alessandra Sanguinetti
  • Foundry & Community Commission
  • Obscura 10K Project

Addressing the criticisms of NFTs [1:25:50]

  • William Eggleston at MoMA

A preview of part two [01:31:28]

Sign off [01:36:05 ]

Credits

Documentum is sponsored by independent photobook publisher Fall Line Press. 

If you liked this conversation, be sure to follow us wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find us on Instagram and Twitter @documentumtv. For a deep dive, subscribe to Patient Letters on Substack. 

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Bill Boling @patientletters

Alexis Boling @alexisboling

Vanessa Isela Johnson @vanessaisela_

Season 1 - Ep 05

Alejandro Cartagena pt. 2

Part two of our conversation with NFT leader Alejandro Cartagena walks us through some of the most historic NFT projects to date from The Book of Veles, Obscura DAO’s The World Today 10K, and Stephen Shore’s first NFT release with Fellowship Trust.

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Show Notes

Alejandro Cartagena soundbite [00:00:01]

Episode overview [00:00:51]

Obscura DAO & The World Today Project [00:01:47]

  • Web3
  • The World Today 10K 
  • The Family of Man 

Creating an NFT native project [00:11:41]

  • Corinne Vionnet
  • Darius Himes

Making money as an artist [00:22:43]

Funding & distributing an NFT project [00:26:07]

Expanding photography’s audience - connecting with NFT collectors [00:29:37]

How NFTs fit into The Passion Economy [00:37:05]

  • The Passion Economy
  • Patreon
  • Substack

The process behind the August Sander mint [00:40:17]

  • August Sander 10K

Fellowship Trust background [00:44:41]

  • Fernando Gallegos 
  • Substack essay on August Sander

A hiccup with the August Sander 10K [00:52:42]

  • MoMA Symposium 

NFTs in a historical context  [00:59:16]

  • Good Pictures: A History of Popular Photography by Kim Beil 
  • The Book of Veles by Jonas Bendiksen

How NFTs can grow - Using The Book of Veles as a case study [1:08:38]

  • Arweave
  • International Planetary File System 
  • Generative art

Stephen Shore’s NFT release [1:14:14]

  • Stephen Shore 
  • Room 509, Dnipro Hotel, Kiev, Kyivska Province, Ukraine by Stephen Shore

Cartagena’s next moves in his practice  [1:18:39]

  • Photolucida 

Sign off [01:27:28]

Credits

Documentum is sponsored by independent photobook publisher Fall Line Press. 

If you liked this conversation, be sure to follow us wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find us on Instagram and Twitter @documentumtv. For a deep dive, subscribe to Patient Letters on Substack. 

 Connect With the Documentum Team on Twitter

Bill Boling @patientletters

Alexis Boling @alexisboling

Vanessa Isela Johnson @vanessaisela_